Comments on: Portland Jazz Fest: Ornette the Wise

By: Art Scatter » Wanted: Portland Jazz Festival sugar daddy

Art Scatter » Wanted: Portland Jazz Festival sugar daddy — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 06:03:05 +0000

[...] at just the right time for me, just as I was thinking seriously about the problem of creativity, and I loved his utter pragmatic dedication to sustaining his creative [...]

By: brenda strong

brenda strong — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:06:30 +0000

brenda strong…

Man i love reading your blog, interesting posts !…

By: barry

barry — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:18:59 +0000

Howard, Thanks for your comments. Your sang-froid and obvious knowledge of jazz on both panels on Friday led me to put your book on my list immediately. Glad you came to Portland, and really happy you visited the site.

By: Howard Mandel

Howard Mandel — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:30:05 +0000

thanks for insightful and enlightening comments on the conversation — I must say I was not frustrated though yes, sometimes bewildered, by Ornette’s comments — I was very pleased to be involved in his creative process which extends to talk as it does to sound. He is very charismatic and even when Delphic, he stimulates thinking and re-thinking all sorts of assumptions. Engaging with his mind, whether through music or talk, delights me, and I’m glad others (such as Art Scatter) got something from the conversation, too. There’s more like that — several of Ornette’s Socratic dialogues, in my book Miles Ornette Cecil — Jazz Beyond Jazz - for a sample check out my website http://www.HowardMandel.com.

By: Cibyl Kavan

Cibyl Kavan — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:49:54 +0000

yes. only an extremely emerging painter though and a late bloomer at that! I could pass the book over to Bob and he could pass it on to you to peruse.

By: Barry Johnson

Barry Johnson — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 05:50:29 +0000

I like the sound of that! And now I really want to see your paintings — you are in a show at the First Unitarian Church in March, yes? (The miracle that is Google!)

By: Cibyl Kavan

Cibyl Kavan — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 04:08:38 +0000

I don’t anything about Ornette Coleman’s spiritual life….However, Albert Low does have some VERY interesting things to say about music and consciousness and devotes an entire chapter to this topic (Chp. 23), with some interesting citations ranging from Wittgentstein to Stephen Hawking to Marie-Loiuse Von Franz. Some of it is WAY beyond me…but I think it might have relevance to what I think I hear Ornette saying about creativity beyond any emotional content….it sounds a bit like how i paint!!

By: Barry Johnson

Barry Johnson — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 19:26:37 +0000

I’m sure Albert Low has lots of great things to say about creativity (even a quick Googling convinces me of that!). I have SOME doubts about whether what he says will speak directly to what’s ricocheting around the brainpan of Ornette Coleman, unless Ornette is a Zen student of Low’s. Mostly, I think that Ornette has developed a very practical (if complex) way of approaching creativity, and I can see how it might resemble the few Zen formulations I know about.

By: Cibyl Kavan

Cibyl Kavan — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:09:52 +0000

you might take a look at a book called “Creating Consciousness” by Albert Low to get a better understanding of what Mr. Coleman is talking about.

By: Barry Johnson

Barry Johnson — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:19:09 +0000

I think your addendum is exactly right.